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Mezinárodní výstava psů DUO CACIB Brno

4. 2. 2018

Rozhodčí:  Jaroslav Matyáš (SK)

FCI SHOW JUDGES COMMISSION

Mactan Island, Cebu Philippines

Only working together will make it work

1. Welcome!

FCI Show Judges Commission Members

APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA SHOW JUDGES COMMISSION

• Opening and Welcome
• Minutes 2015
• Our work for the last five years
• Annual Report ‘15
• FCI Board Decisions
• FCI Circulars
• Login to Web-Page
• Education Breed by Breed
• New Judges Promotion
• Judges and Social Media
• Judge Training Scheme
• How to Exchange Education Programs
• System of Nominations Control
• Ideal Certificating Process
• Criteria for Judges at International Level
• Minimum Number of Groups to Judge BIS
• FCI Judges Congress (new)
• Presentation of Caravan Hound
• Election of the Commission Board Members
• Topics for 2017
• Sundries
• Closure

2. Minutes of the Meeting
in Luxembourg in 2015

 

• Proposal to approve the minutes

3. Our work for the last five years

• Non Mandatory Commission
  • 42 members and 6 associated members
  • Every year first weekend of February
    • 2010 Poland
    • 2011 Italy
    • 2012 Lithuania
    • 2013 Colombia
    • 2014 France
    • 2015 Luxembourg
    • 2016 Philippines
    • 2017 Russia
    • 2018 Portugal
    • Proposals small, big, less and

     more important regulations

• Advisory to the FCI Board
• Commissions members are mostly

     members of the national boards

• Every year commissions are combined (judges and show organizers)

 

Last five years….

• Rules for Show Judges / regarding the rules for Shows
• Code of commitment of judging dogs

   healthy for function

• Breed by breed education
• Education program to become

   from Breed to All-Breeds Judge

• National and International

   All-Breeds Judges

• Code of ethics
• Basic Contract between

   Show Organizer and a Judge

• Judges fee

 

 

 

 

Last five years…..

• FCI Judges Directory developped worldwide
• Judges who move abroad
• AKC / KC
• Closer meetings of Show and Judges
• Better understanding with the FCI Board
• Trying to have equal rights for all judges
• Helping NO with developing education programs
• Control system for approval of All-Breeds judges
• Discussion regarding nomination of judges in some countries

 

• NEARLY ALL PROPOSALS APPROVED

 

 

4. Annual report 2015

 

• Proposal to approve the Annual Report 2015

5. Evaluation of the FCI Board
decisions

• Publishing the Breed by Breed Education on the FCI website: Proposal was approved. Already on the website.
• Guidelines and instructions how to write a dog’s report. Proposal to publish our work as Guidelines. Proposal has been turned down. No reason given. We are waiting for an answer! We will try again!
• Investigation on nomination of some people to become a group or all-breeds judge in some countries. We have sent the information we had received from our members to the FCI. They started to investigate the “rumours of improper nominations”. The countries concerned have answered! It’s up to us how to deal with it!
• KC and FCI matter. We asked the Board to inform us about the agreement and the communication regarding that decision. The Board answered the questions. We are still waiting for the official agreement regarding the reciprocity of KC and FCI judges.

 

 

5. Rumours about nominations

• Investigation of rumours regarding the nomination of some judges in the following countries:
  • Bulgaria (3 people concerned)
  • Serbia (3 people concerned PLUS 2 new people)
  • Macedonia (1 person concerned)
  • Montenegro (2 people concerned)
  • Rumours regarding:
    • No basic education according to the FCI Regulations
    • Too short period between nomination of breeds, groups,       all-breeds judge
    • Not following the FCI Regulations
    • Payment by people to become judges

5. Rumours about nominations

 

• Answers of the countries concerned
  • Papers and files were damaged in the fire / gone / former board
  • Legal residence, only by copy of lease agreement on a house, not from the city and/or tax office
  • Mostly own native language (not in 1 of the 4 FCI languages)
  • Judge has several addresses and decided to become a judge in Bulgaria because in their own country it was too difficult
  • Statements of the kennel clubs without proper proofs (no copies of nominations, education a.s.o.)

5. Rumours about nomination

• PROPOSAL

Considering that the nomination of the FCI judges should be done according to the FCI Regulations and that we have strong believe that the answers of the kennel clubs concerned are not complete and do not have necessary documents attached, we ask the FCI Board to undertake further actions once again

• A lease contract of a house does not prove that the judge lives in the country. Should be a copy of a TAX statement, so we need further proof if these judges were really living in the country concerned
• We should get copies of the nominations of these judges, at least copies of the nomination for the first group and the last one
• If possible we prefer to receive the education programs of the countries concerned, just to check whether the program was followed
• The answers have to be written in one of the four FCI languages
• While waiting for the answers the judges concerned are not allowed to judge outside the countries where they were nominated

 

 

6. Circulars and decisions of the FCI in 2015 

• 5/2015 Nomination as FCI All-breed International Judge (New form & procedure)
• 12/2015 Breed Assignement (Informing a show judge regarding breeds he has to judge at the show)
• 32/2015 Balanced International Panel of Judges at FCI World or Section Shows: Recommendation (max 25 % own country / min 5 % FCI / max 5 % non-FCI)
• Standards Commission is pleased with PPT Breed by Breed
• Information about the FCI Judges Directory
• Suspensions and lifting of suspensions of judges
• Decisions of the FCI Board regarding judges
  • Lack of PM1 and M3 are not to be considered eliminating faults. However standard is leading
  • Development of Youth Working Group
  • Proposals of Judges, Shows and Joint Commissions
  • AKC-FCI judges regarding reciprocity of judges

 

 

 

7. Special Webpage

 

• For members of the Show Judges Commission
• Username: first name and last name
• Password: First Name followed by 01 (Starting with Capital)

 

• Circulars
• Rules
• Statements
• Paperwork Commission
• All other FCI information
• Go to:

 

 

8. Breed by Breed Education

• Group 1
  • Dutch Shepherd Dog (The Netherlands)
  • Group 2
    • Cane Corso (Italy)
    • Dogue de Boredaux (France)
  • Group 3
    • Brazilian Terrier (Brasil)
  • Group 5
    • Canaan Dog (Israë
    • Finnish Spitz (Finland)
    • Karelian Bear Dog (Finland)
  • Group 6
    • Finnish Hound (Finland)
  • Group 7
    • Stabijhoun (The Netherlands)
  • Group 8
    • Nederlands Kooikerhondje (The Netherlands)
    • Wetterhoun (The Netherlands)

8. Breed by Breed Education

 

• Go to:
• Standards Commission: pleased with our work
• Only a few PPT’s on our website!
• People start asking for more!
• We are not keeping to our promises!!!!

 

• Please: develop at least two PowerPoint presentations this year

 

• Send them to

 

• WORKING TOGETHER WILL MAKE IT WORK !!!!!!

 

9. The Future of Beginning Judges

• Topic from last year
• “Weakness”
  • Mostly not known outside their own country / Organizers do not know them
  • Hard to “compete” with the “efficiency”
  • Not so many breeds? So no judge for two full days?
  • Expensive in travelling and lodging, or ??
  • FCI Regulations say: wait for 2 years
  • “Strength”
    • Actual development in the breed(s)
    • Often a new and open mind in judging the breed
    • Specialist in the breed(s) he is allowed to judge

 

 

9. The Future of beginning judges

 

• Proposal

 

• Judges that have been approved for one or more breeds should be treated equally regardless the age of the judge and his/her judging career, as long as the education has been done according to at least the FCI Regulations;
• Delete the article in the Show Judges Regulations: “minimum of 2 years in own country”;
• Spreading a list among the countries that would like to have that with beginning judges that:
  • Are judges for not longer than 10 years;
  • Do not have more than 15 breeds and/of one group.
  • This list should contain basic information such as the name of the judge, the city of living, the breeds and the email address. The list should not contain any information that could tell something about the opinion of the kennel club of their judges. The list can be spread among the countries that also participate in exchanging information about their beginning judges.

 

10. How to use Social Media

• SOCIAL MEDIA
  • The new way to “discuss, congratulate, talk, present and kill”
  • Do not say “Good Bye” to Social Media because it can be interesting and lots of fun
  • Facebook (90 %)
    • From Heaven to Hell in ONE day !
    • Spreading all over the world in a split of a second !
    • Your message, status and pictures are FOR EVER !
    • Is a great communication tool when used properly !

 

10. How to use Social Media

• How to handle Facebook with care
  • Can you LIKE dogs of breeds that you judge / are going to judge soon?
  • Can you LIKE BOB/BIG/BIS dogs when you have to judge these breeds in short time?
  • Can you LIKE litters, champion dogs, the messages of multi winners in kennels?
  • Is it okay when you put pictures on FB from your visit to a breeder of a breed that you are judging in short time?

 

• Can we develop some guidelines that we – judges – can use when working with FB?

11. Working on Judge Training Scheme

 

• Topic from APAC members
• Discussion about a formal and comprehensive judge training scheme for breeds not that known in some countries
• Give judges opportunity to learn and be educated in breeds rarely seen in their own country

 

• How to develop this training scheme for Asian judges and judges from other countries who have the same problem

12. Exchange training programs

 

• More and more countries have well developed education programs starting from basic untill All-Breeds Judge
• Used for national purpose only
• Not all countries are that lucky to have programs
• But judging is not national: same basis through whole world!

 

• Can we exchange programs, regulations, exams?
• Can we invite (starting) judges from the FCI countries to participate in programs?
• Can we exchange education events?

 

• What can the Section / Commission do to assist judges in their training and find some practical ways to do it!

13. System of Control of the
FCI Group and All-Breeds Judges

 

• FCI said YES to the system of control
• FCI already started the procedure
• Despite that some countries still do not follow the regulations regarding the nomination of Group and All-Breeds Judges
• Controlling is impossible if we don’t have the possibility to check if the procedure has been followed

13. System of Control

Article 11 - Judges

1.

• The members and contract partners are responsible for training and examining (in accordance with the FCI regulations) the judges who will be authorised to award CACIB, CACIT, CACIAG, CACIOB and CACIL. Only such judges can be recognised by the FCI, its members and contract partners.

2.

• A judge can appear on the judges’ list of a member or contract partner in the country in which this member or this contract partner has its head office. Furthermore, a judge can appear on one FCI judges’ list only. The members and contract partners must publish their updated judges’ list (name, address, email, phone number, qualifications, languages spoken) It is up to the members and the contract partners to decide whether or not to publish their working judges’ lists on the Internet and send them to the FCI General Secretariat or not
• May be it should be added to this provision (The members and contract partners must publish their updated judges’ list (name, address, email, phone number, qualifications, languages spoken) on their Internet website) - the FCI Judges Directory as well?

 

13. System of Control of the
FCI Group and All-Breeds Judges

 

Do we do this?

How to control this?

Proposal:

-         Inform the members that they have to publish their complete list of judges and send it to the FCI

-         To add to the standing orders art. 11 that they also have to publish their list on the FCI Judges Directory

-         To add to the Article that NO also has to send their Student Judges as well

 

13. System of Control

Article 11 - Judges

 

2.

 

• A judge can appear on the judges’ list of a member or contract partner only if he has his legal residence in the country in which this member or this contract partner has its head office. Furthermore, a judge can appear on one FCI judges’ list only. The members and contract partners must publish their updated judges’ list (name, address, email, phone number, qualifications, languages spoken) and on their Internet website. In addition, this updated list has to be sent to the FCI General Secretariat every year.It is up to the members and the contract partners to decide whether or not to publish their working judges’ lists on the Internet and send them to the FCI General Secretariat or not. The members also have to send their updated list of student judges to the FCI every year.

 

14. An ideal Certificating Process  

 

• Topic from the APAC members
• What can we do to unify this process?

 

15. Criteria for Judges at International Level

 

• Topic from APAC members

 

• When should a judge be permitted to judge on international level?
• Criteria?

16. Minimum number of Groups for BIS judges

 

• BIS when approved for at least two groups
• To become All-Breeds Judge you have to have at least 5 groups (including some KEY Groups)

 

• Question: Is a Group Judge for two groups able to judge BIS? Does he know the majority of the breeds in all the groups?

 

• PROPOSAL: The criteria to be a BIS judge should be the same as to become an All-Breeds Judge. So at least 5 Groups including the KEY Groups.

 

17. FCI Judges Congress

• Judges would like to exchange their experience regarding judging dogs
• Judges would like to exchange their thoughts about interpreting standards and using them together with the basic statements regarding the health and welfare of dogs
• Judges would like to exchange their thoughts and opinions on an international basis, not to get one uniform decision when judging, but to search for a balance constantly

 

17. FCI Judges Congress

• Proposal to the FCI Board
• The FCI Judges Commission proposes to organize an International FCI Judges Congress for all FCI Judges every two years.
• Next host country and date is to be announced every congress.
• The FCI will financially support this Congress by paying for the location of the congress, related seminars and workshops, and the speakers (costs for accommodation, daily allowance and travel)
• The Board of the FCI Commission takes care of the agenda and organization after having been advised by the FCI Commission
• Participants of the seminars are to cover their own expenses by themselves
• The first congress is to be held in 2017

18. Caravan Hound

 

 

19. Election of Board members

 

 

• John Wauben (Netherlands)

 

• Adrian Landarte (Uruguay)

 

• Anne-Marie Class (France)

20. Topics for 2017

 

 

21. Sundries

22. Closure

FCI JOINT COMMISSION

Mactan Island, Cebu Philippines

Only working together will make it work!

1. Welcome!

FCI Show Judges Commission Members

Website APAC

 

APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA OF THE JOINT MEETING

• Opening and Welcome
• Minutes 2015
• Decisions of the FCI Board
• Entrance of dogs belonging to judges’ partners
• Non FCI Judges following FCI regulations?
• NCO following FCI rules and regulations
• How to handle aggressive dogs?
• Indicating country of nomination with the judge’s name
• How to use digital technology?
• Behavior of judges and what organizers can ask for
• Number of dogs to judge per day
• Composition of judges panel at a World/Section show
• Changing standards and our input (new)
• Topics from Shows and Show Judges Commissions
  • Working on a online Dog Show Program
  • Working on a voting procedure for board commission
  • Next meetings
  • Sundries
  • Closure

2. Minutes of the Meeting
in Luxembourg in 2015

 

• Proposal to approve the minutes

3. Evaluation of the FCI Board
Decisions

 

• New phrasing in the dog show regulations regarding the “on-line catalogues” and how to control? Our proposal: Publishing on-line catalogues only on the day of the show, never more than two hours before. FCI BOARD: AGREED.

 

• To recommend judges, stewards and organizers ask handlers not to exaggerate in baiting their dogs when being examined and placed. Our proposal: publish a circular regarding this. FCI BOARD: TURNS DOWN THE PROPOSAL. It’s up to each judge to inform the handlers

 

 

4. Entrance of Dogs Belonging to Partners and Family of Judges

 

• Chapter 11 of the FCI Judges Regulations: “A partner, any member of his immediate familily or any person living in his household may enter dogs of breeds……which this judge is not judging on that day of the show”

 

• What to do about partners that have entered a dog and accompany judges at the dinner the evening before of the show?
• What to do with judges who ask for judging fee and refunding their expenses although the partner has entered the other day?

 

• DISCUSSION: Should we ammend the regulations in such a way that a partner, any member of his immediate familily or any person living in his household, is NOT allowed to enter dog(s) at all at a show where the judge concerned is acting as a judge?

 

 

5. FCI Regulations for Non-FCI Judges

• Topic from Norsk Kennel Klubben (NKK)
• Experience regarding Non FCI Judges not following the FCI regulations
• FCI and NON FCI judges at FCI Show should be treated equally but should also have the same rights and obligations

 

• Proposal to add to Chapter 1 “Basics” in the FCI Dogs Show Regulatons:

     “The rules regarding the general duties of a show judge,      his travel, insurance and his behavior mentioned in     the FCI Show Judges Regulations also affect the judges    coming from other than FCI countries. They have to   follow these rules when officiating at the FCI         International Dog Shows”.

 

6. Following the FCI Regulations

• Topic coming from the FCI Board
• Desicion regarding Judging Fee not being followed by VDH
  • Motivation Germany VDH
    • Why only for EU section, World and EU Shows
    • Equal for ALL (all shows and other judges) and all voluntary people

 

• What is our opinion
• Our advice to the FCI Board

 

 

7. How to Handle Aggressive Dogs

• Some countries have rules regarding the way they handle aggressive dogs. Some do not have them!
• Disqualification only at the moment but no further action taken because of lack of regulations

 

• The Netherlands: no rules saying that a dog can be banned on showing
• Sweden: they have rules and can ban dogs

 

• WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER COUNTRIES?
• Can we propose “regulations” that can be used by the FCI countries?
• Do we have to develop them as guidelines or as obligatory rules?

 

8. Judge and a Country of Nomination

 

• People sometimes become a judge in the country where they do not live
• This person does not appear on the list of judges of the country where he is living
• However on the judges list of a dog show this person appears on the list with the country of living behind the name
• Not correct because country of living is not responsible for this nomination

 

• We propose to add some text to regulations

8. Judge and a Country of Nomination

 

• Proposal to ADD to Chapter 10 “FCI Dog Shows Regulation” the following sentence:
  • “k. All publications of a judge officiating at a show must be with the country on which this judge appears on the list of licensed judges”.

9. Digital Technology and Judging

 

• Topic coming from Colombia
• Digital technology in the rings gets more and more important
• Use of tablets
• Is the judge still able to see if his qualifications, placements and titles are also published properly?
• Tablet / Laptop à Organizer  Website / Public
• Judge is not in charge anymore?

 

• How can this be controlled?
• Should we develop rules in which it is stated that a judge – at all times – has to sign a paper with all the results of his judging?

 

 

10. Behavior of Judges

• Sometimes visitors and exhibitors are irritated by the way judges act in a ring
  • Sitting while judging
  • Judges using cruces frightening dogs
  • Talking with people outside the ring
• Is it good to try to develop some rules?
  • A judge too has to be fit for his function!
• Also regarding the behavior of some judges in the ring.

   How to handle this? Are there any sanctions and/or do we need them?

11. Number of dogs per day

• Coming from PCCI
• 1st Proposal: Define the following (for the guidance and for purpose of order)
  • Number of minimum dogs witout critique, we suggest 30 dogs/hour (2 minutes per dog)
  • Half a day: we suggest minimum of 3 hours, maximum 4 hours
  • Whole day: we suggest more than 4 hours, not exceeding 10
• 2nd Proposal: Increase the number of dogs to be judged with critiques
  • To 120 per day (coming from 80/day). Force majeur is 140 dogs
• 3rd Proposal: Increase the number of dogs to be judged without critiques
  • To 210 dogs (7 hours) or force majeur 240 dogs (8 hours)

12. Number of Judges at World and Section Shows

 

• Coming from PCCI

 

• Present rule: “…at least 2/3 of the invited judges in the panel have to be judges approved by an FCI-NO…at least one judge from each section should be invited”.

 

• PROPOSAL:
• Hosting NO 20 %
• Hosting Section 30 %
• Remaining sections 20 %
• Others 30 %

12. Number of Judges at World and Section Shows

 

 

• Example: 120 judges at a World Show

 

 

 

13. Changing standards

 

• Initiative from country of origin
• Coming from Standard and Scientific Commission

 

• NO communication with Show Judges Commission

 

• NO advise from Show Judges Commission
• Changing Breed Standards affect judging, showing, breeding

 

• Are we just the “followers” or are we also “advisers”?
• How to handle this?
• How to use these changings? Completely / in Phases?

 

 

 

13. Changing Standards

• EXAMPLE: DOBERMANN
• From 1-1-2015
• Docked dogs not according to the standard anymore

 

 

 

 

 

 

• 3 Different standards for ONE breed (FCI / KC / AKC)
• It affects shows
• It affects showing
• It affects breeding

 

 

13. Changing standards

 

• What can we do to take part in the discussions regarding big changes of Breed Standards? Proposal to the FCI?

 

• What can we do to make the FCI reconsider the approval of the changing of the standard of the Dobermann, this for the benefit of the breed development in the countries were docking and cropping is still allowed.

14. Topics from yesterday!

 

 

• Working on an basiv International Dog Show Program

 

 

• Working on a voting procedure for the Board of our commissions

14.1 Dog Show Program

 

• Working out an International Dog Show Program, together with the FCI Board

 

• To finish a proposal work out a action plan about our basis and further needs for this Program
• Inform our members and then develop the definite version
• Then discuss this action plan with the FCI board to find out the costs to develop such a Program
• Come back with the conclusion

 

• Develop a Working Group of the Boards of both commissions and add to this Wielfred Olsen (DK)

14.2 Voting Procedure

 

• Working out a proposal for the voting procedure of our Boards
• On the Agenda for 2017
• Implementation “elections 2018”

 

• Some thoughts
  • Candidates known 2 months before
  • Period not 2 but 4 years
  • Open and/or secret votes and/or voting by applaus…and when (1 or more candidates
  • Spread over the sections and how to do this (we have 5 FCI sections)

 

15. Next Meetings

 

• 2017 Sochi, Russia (February 4th and 5th 2017)

 

• 2018 Madeira, Portugal (February 24th and 25th 2018)

 

• 2019 To be chosen today

15. Next meeting 2017

 

• Sochi, Russia
• Saturday the 4th and Sunday the 5th of February 2017

16. Sundries

17. Closu

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